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March 9, 2007

Shotgun Flashlight

at 4:22 am. Filed under Insane Equipment, What Were They Thinking

Security guards that don’t have guns carry around big long metal flashlights for protection. If they have this flashlight made by ARES Defense Systems they won’t have anything to worry about…

“A grenade-style pin removes the safety, and the flashlight fires a .410 shotgun round out the back when a button is pressed. A Mini-Mag size fires a .380 round”



Via: TechEBlog and The Raw Feed


 

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99 Responses to “Shotgun Flashlight”

  1. Bill Says:

    What’s the betting that the person most likely to be shot by one of these, is the security guard himself? :LOL:

  2. Solarstorm Says:

    This is an scary invention!
    Aren’t there enough weapons in the world?

  3. God Says:

    ^No^

  4. Doug Says:

    “Aren’t there enough weapons in the world?”

    No, there are not. If it makes you feel better, pretend that the security guard uses the flashlight to launch a .410 flare to summon the police… who arrive with guns and shoot the intruder.

    I want one for Christmas!

  5. Nil Says:

    (sorry for my english!)

    but…not all people in the world wants more weapons!
    …remember, USA != World

    ;-)

    ciao a tutti i lettori
    che capiscono il mio idioma!

    bye

    =NiL=

  6. Rob Says:

    Nice until someone forgets it shoots out the >back

  7. MG Says:

    Then you europeans don’t need to use it. Figures, europeans sticking their noses where it doesn’t belong.

  8. Solarstorm Says:

    “Figures, europeans sticking their noses where it doesn’t belong.”

    Team America World Police

    Think about it!

  9. Elbarfo Says:

    */ Team America World Police /*
    */ Think about it! /*

    What’s to think about, a pathetically bad movie made with mannequins? No thanks. If you actually take that movie seriously in any way you need to have your head checked.

    Jeez, sheep amaze me….

    I do have to agree though, the guard is likely the first person to shoot himself with it. Rent-a-cops are notorously inept. Ah the stories I could tell…

    I could see it being a very handy backup weapon for law enforcement though. It’s not a new idea, however. I have a .22 pen gun. They’ve been around for years, in several calibers. Classified as a AOW by the BATFE, requires a $5 tax stamp (and of course, a background check) to purchase.

    As far as the guy asking if there aren’t enough weapons already….

    No. My collection grows every year. You do realize that if you don’t like them, you don’t have to own one, right? Just be content to let someone else be responsible for your protection, like a good little sheep.

    But don’t start crying when it takes the shepards far too long to show up, and the wolves have already started eating you…

  10. Mr. Meval Says:

    That would be a firearm of last resort, it’s mostly a novelty firearm, it’s single shot so it’s good against one attacker with maybe a chance of scaring off multiple attackers.

    You get no follow up if you miss or if they don’t run, then it’s reverts to club mode. :)

    It’s .410 which is not that great as a defensive round though there are some specialty .410 defensive rounds they’re just not the same as a proper defensive firearm you can practice with regularly.

  11. NGinuity Says:

    I wouldn’t mind one of those to add to my collection….Just as a talking point for when friends come over!

    For those of you who are anti United States in regard to our policy on arms for citizens:

    Please bear in mind that all nations who have been totally disarmed unequivocally exhibit episodes of genocide, because their citizens cannot fight back.

    The second amendment of the Bill Of Rights, in regard to the Constitution of the United States guarantees citizens will be able to legally defend against the government, should it become tyrannus towards it’s citizens. I think a lot of people forget that. After all, I am not leaving the security of my country in the hands of other men, should it come down to that. It is my responsibility, and right, as a citizen of the United States, and it is in no way a priviledge.

    My only wish is that other countries had similar policy.

  12. lonewolf Says:

    is it shock resistant is what i wanna know. i wouldnt wanna be responsible for shooting a civilian or be charged for murder cuz i was in persuit of someone and dropped the damn thing causing it to misfire.this is a good creation in my opinion though even if it is one shot. if an officer was in the middle of apprehending a suspect and the suspect (or the suspects accomplice in some cases) were able to disarm the officer, this might be just what he needs to recover and reach for his secondary pistol. pepper spray and tazers sometimes arent enough to stop a criminal, especially should (s)he be on meth,crack or some other narcotic that causes extreme “superman” like feelings. a split second and good reaction time is all it takes to change the outcome of whether or not you’ll be coming to work the next day.

  13. =NiL= Says:

    Then you europeans don’t need to use it. Figures, europeans sticking their noses where it doesn’t belong.

    sure we in Europe have more respect for the others.
    thanks for the confirmation;

    bye bye

  14. JP Says:

    Oh yeah you have more respect for each other; Srebrenica massacre, the Skull Cracker in Britian, the IRA, anti-Semitic hate crimes in France, Baader-Meinhof group of Germany, just to name a few. If that’s more respect you can have it.

  15. al Says:

    good idea but not quite, 3 rounds of .357 will be more practical, not too hard to fit it with 3 barrels, instead of 1. and also it should have a magnetic ring safety, so only guard with magnetic ring on, can fire it.

  16. Doug Says:

    Pointing the light at something would then point the shotgun end right back at you! Doesn’t this violate the gun safety rule of “don’t point a gun at something you don’t want to shoot” ?

    This thing is a nifty ‘james bond’ gadget though…

  17. Nil Says:

    Oh yeah you have more respect for each other; Srebrenica massacre, the Skull Cracker in Britian, the IRA, anti-Semitic hate crimes in France, Baader-Meinhof group of Germany, just to name a few. If that’s more respect you can have it.

    what ? :-o

    …only few name:
    Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Gulf War(s), Vietnam, Guatemala, Cile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama etc etc etc…

    I love American people and its style of life, but not the method that has your Government in order to diffuse it in world.

    sure, nobody is perfect!…not even our Governments…

    bye,
    peace!

  18. JP Says:

    Hey don’t worry I’m with you, I’m not happy with my government either. I live in California, can’t get away with anything here. By and large the American people are great. If the government didn’t poke it’s nose in our business the place would be better off. But to get back on track, I agree, three barrels of .357 would be better suited. Perhaps in an arrangement similar to the old Cop four barrel situation, random fire. As far as pointing the end of the light back at you I was taught to keep it away from your body. Just my two cents.

  19. Cisco Says:

    badass! I want one,I think the 3 barrel of .357 would be better,also the magnetic ring would also be a good thing to add, I know I wouldnt be to happy to go back to work, and say “O cheif,I got shot with my own gun…”. The other thing I wanted to say, was I would definatly hold tht far away from me. I do see one problem.How the hell do you aim in the dark??? >.

  20. Hexypoo Says:

    lol why not see if we can fit a coil gun in the back, just make the front a bada$$ led flashlight to make some room for the extra capacitors and what not.

  21. ryan Says:

    beware the flashlite young padawan……….BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. Snow_Cat Says:

    ^ – -^ It needs a ‘warning label’ on that safety.

    “Warning: Ring only for operation of safety mechanism. Do not use for keys. Do not use to carry on belt or other article.”

    ^- – ^ And I remember something very similar being sold illegally in Canada under the manner ‘no licence needed’ — though that was a .22 … and required a licence.

  23. Flashlights Fanatic Says:

    This thing is off the hook! Wow, I didn’t know something like this was possible. Is this available to civilians?

  24. mrmeval Says:

    Flashlight Fanatic.

    Ares no longer makes this light and quit making it before the article was published here I think.

    In essence they abandoned this product after dumping their inventory of it. I assume it negatively effected their other products acceptance by the US Military.

    If you can find one for sale you can own it *if* three conditions are met.

    1) Your state laws allows you to purchase and own it and you meet all of their requirements. Every state has different rules, you do have to submit Federal paperwork to someone for signoff regardless of state law.

    2)You pass the Federal background check and pay the tax. and wait for all of the paperwork to be processed and approved. The Feds can take six months. I don’t know if there is a limit on how long they can take.

    3) You pay the current owner for the weapon plus sales tax. Then you can take the weapon home. Keeping yourself safe by properly storing, transporting and using the weapon and keeping the paperwork safe is beyond my expertise.

    All transactions have to be processed through a specially licensed firearms dealer. They handle all the paperwork and such and they may charge a fee if they are the owner and will charge a fee if not.

    The ‘simplest’ NFA firearm to own is a short barreled shotgun. The tax is 5 dollars. The paperwork is the same as for anything on the NFA list. My state happens to *only* allow factory manufactured ones as the law prohibits any that have had the barrel shortened even if that was done properly under Federal law ( needs special license, forms, taxes, etc just to modify one.)

    Note: NFA means National Firearms Act which was passed in response to the extreme violence and gangsterism that alcohol prohibition caused.

    It is not to be confused with out 1968 Gun Control Act passed in response to the assassination of President Kennedy. The GCA was derived from a translation of German gun laws circa WWII. There is a bitter irony there.

    From their website:

    “Flashlight Firearms:
    We occasionally receive requests for information regarding a product formerly manufactured by Ares Defense Systems. The Companion product has not been produced in 6-7 years. Very few were ever manufactured; all were registered with BATF as “AOW” (Any Other Weapon) per NFA guidelines and all were transfered with ATF approval to Federally licensed dealers possessing a Special Occupational Tax stamp. We do not manufacture, advertise, sell or support this product.”

  25. K.F.C Says:

    “Note: NFA means National Firearms Act which was passed in response to the extreme violence and gangsterism that alcohol prohibition caused.”

    Wrong! The NFA of 34 was a jobs program enacted because prohibition was repealed and all of the Alcohol Agents would be unemployed, so they wrote up some crap laws and gave the agents new tasks.

  26. Mark Says:

    Sweet, I can just see duck hunt comps,useing only flashlights.
    Bet I could get a 10 point with that.

  27. CavalierX Says:

    …only few name:
    Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Gulf War(s), Vietnam, Guatemala, Cile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama etc etc etc…

    I note that none of those a) took place on our own soil or b) against our own citizens. Hell, the first two didn’t even involve guns! It’s always the same… whenever a Liberal tries to make a logical argument, hilarity ensues.

  28. Jesus Says:

    ^^^ You are right my son ^^^^

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  30. jim white Says:

    As a part time securety guard, I will be buying one of these. I currently use a tactile light to tempererilly blind an assailant and gain an advantage. The big and heavy Maglight will also serve as a club. Cops investigate crimes, God love them; but armed citizens can and do prevent crimes. I will continue to work on the prevention side with all the tools I can find.

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  33. Chaz Says:

    Am I the only one who noticed this? The shotgun part is in the back right? So when you have your arm extended searching with the light you have a F***ING SHOTGUN POINTED AT YOUR CHEST! I only see that ending badly for some strange reason.

  34. John Says:

    What a stupid design. I’d never point the business end of any weapon to myself.

  35. Ouroborus Says:

    Instead of a regular shell, use a taser shotgun round: http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/XREP.aspx

  36. Ash Says:

    Nice.

  37. The Baldchemist Says:

    Security guards, just by choosing that type of work, are meglomaniacs they suffer from delusions of grandeur, paranoia and narcissm. Just putting a uniform on these blockheads seems to confirm all of the above.
    Its a well known fact that Police, Security guards and military have the lowest intelligence of all proffesions. Why on Earth do we allow them the “authority” to use this sort of weapon when they have no real sense of reasoning?
    Stupid design is right; for stupid people; put there by stupid politicans who were put there by a stupid population. Look at some of the comments. I fear for you America,

  38. The Baldchemist Says:

    MG. You should talk about sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong. Come over to our shores with one of those weapons and se where your nose finishes up. In your arse where it is right now; but much further in.

  39. John Says:

    baldchemist, it is true that SOME members of the military have low iq’s but a majority of people in the US military are very intelligent. All require high school diploma and now, college is being required for advancement even in the enlisted ranks above a certain level. And if you are going to be talking about low intelligence of others, make sure you have no misspellings (i.e. professions/proffesions) I do not know what country claims you Baldchemist, but if you are any indication of the intelligence of your country, I hope that I never go there

  40. The Baldchemist Says:

    John. Spelling is no indication of knowledge. A high school diploma and college requirements? of what standard? A whole generation who’s vocabulary revolves around: awesome, my god, like, as if. Give me a break. Fortunately I am not indicative of The British intelligence. They are just like the Americans.
    Just take a look at TV programmes. WW wrestling. Jerry Springer. Oprah. Violence violence and more violence. No wonder your kids are killing each other when shit like this is pushed down their throats everyday.
    Isn’t it time you woke up to the damage weapons, guns and the system generally have on society?
    Uniforms in general and those that seek to wear them totally change the character of the wearer.
    Why haven’t they sought other work? Is it a calling like the Jehadists? What exites a person to join the military? If its not a chance to get some action. To kill someone.All in the indoctrinated name of God and the US.
    I had no intentions of commenting on this site, but the comments, well I couldn’t resist. With a few exceptions, you are all of the same ilk.
    My country founded yours. Then we gave it back to you. Don’t claim winning a war. The British have never lost a war. Battles yes. Wars; no!
    Everyday we see more and more violence and supression of human beings. Unfortunately the World sees the US as being greedy, egoistic and ignorant of the World; and the cause of a lot of the World situation.

  41. M. Geer Says:

    Without adding more flame to the fire, I would submit that anyone suggesting to be of a nation, religion, or race without blood on their hands simply lacks an adequate understanding of human history. Is it then just a question of who has engaged in the least amount of violence? Can they stand pure and righteous above all others? Only within an existential definition of morality (that which is similar to me is good, that which is dissimilar to me is evil) can we separate ourselves from, and feel justified in, our judgment of others. Fundamentally humans make judgments based not from the immediate individual experience, but through the application of previously attained knowledge applied to perceptually similar instances. While no doubt this was essential in our evolution, it now simply means that an individual is defined rigidly by the group in which he or she is found. The question begs to be repeated then, how many individual lives must be lost before they are reduced to a statistic? In reality the only thing that separates us is time. Travel far enough back along its stream and all the nations, all the religions, even all the races, will slowly meld into one. So, go ahead, pass judgment, mock each other, carry on with the juvenile tally of contextless crimes against humanity; but remember, when you seek to shine a light on another man’s darkness, you might just end up shooting yourself in the chest with a .410. haha pwn3d!!!1 i has won the internets1!!

  42. Quasireal Says:

    Honestly, you all need to just shut the hell up. I’m tired of all the “US is bad.” and “Europeans are pussies.” arguments that the web seems to be plagued with.

    England, France, Spain, Germany, China, Russia, Japan, The United States, all of these countries are considered to be part of the “civilized world” and each of them has performed acts against their own and against other countries that would be considered, horrible, cruel, unjust, or otherwise bad.

    I don’t have the time or patience to list every atrocity performed by every country back through recorded time, but everyone, everywhere has in their national, personal or family history something to be ashamed of.

    To make it simple, put the dicks away boys, no one cares who is smarter, who lives in the better country, who is more enlightened, who has the correct morals, or who knows how to live a better life.

    If all that crap is really that important to you, why don’t you get into your respective governmental systems and do something to change things, instead of having a pissing contest on the internet.

    Even simpler, shut up. The rest of us are sick of hearing it.

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  44. Slug Says:

    You wouldn’t be “pointing a shotgun at your chest” at all, since you’re supposed to hold it as a cop would: up high, ready to swing the heavy end like a club. So this would actually aim at a point somewhere above your shoulder.

  45. jim white Says:

    Thanks Slug,

    But the people who don’t know how to hold a tactical light, should not use this device. I am an ME (google it) and (one of those low IQ guys [161] that Baldchemist hates) who works a second job as a security guard. I do this because; I want to earn as much as I can to help my kids finish college. Is this stupid, I don’t think so.

    James White

  46. Morgan Gates Says:

    I am interested , please advise.

  47. Anon Says:

    Another major drawback of this firearm is the low weight. A small flashlight gun such as this must have some pretty bad recoil even if the load is small. It looks pretty hard to hold on to anyway. I can see someone firing this and it launching out of their hand and hitting them.

  48. Apple_Cheese Says:

    But dont you need the light to see who your shooting at, if you point the barrel part at the bad guy, the light is shining at you

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  50. Kable Says:

    I am a Security Officer in Florida with D, G and W state licenses and according to the laws that govern Security Officers in Florida you wouldn’t be able to carry it in FL anyway. They regulate what type and caliber firearm you can carry with a G license. You need a wavier for a shotgun, and to get one you would really, really, really, need a good reason. Not to mention the whole concealed aspect of it. Anyone who knows anything about firearms safety knows this flashlight is a bad idea unless you are just gonna store it safe like any other firearm and treat it safely. You could never use it for a light, for placing your body inline with the barrel of a firearm is oh so not good. Even in a tactical hold(is there any other way? Who does the old museum night watchman hold?)it’s still a real bad idea for security or personal use.. It is a dangerous novelty like the rest of the gadgets here:

    http://digg.com/comedy/The_13_Most_Irresponsible_Self_Defense_Gadgets_Money_Can_Buy_2?OTC-widget

    I would love to hear from people who have purchased one. Anyone know anyone who has?

  51. Kable Says:

    From the Aries website:

    Flashlight Firearms:
    We occasionally receive requests for information regarding a product formerly manufactured by Ares Defense Systems. The Companion product has not been produced in 8-9 years. Very few were ever manufactured; all were registered with BATF as “AOW” (Any Other Weapon) per NFA guidelines and all were transfered with ATF approval to possessing Federally licensed dealers a Special Occupational Tax stamp. We do not manufacture, advertise, sell or support this product.

  52. Tom Says:

    Come on rudeboys, you go on about massacres and shootings in Europe which are fortunately few an far between, yet it seems to me that there’s a shooting of a school or college twice daily over in the “good, ole” US of A

  53. tricia Says:

    this was written at 4:22 in the morning. someone was bored!

  54. Robert Says:

    It should be a flesh-cutting laser instead of a shotgun round.

  55. gosman Says:

    gosman rules

  56. Tom Says:

    What a dumb idea. Tons of recoil, its going to be rediculously in-accurate and also, europeans are the best – our main firearm policy is NOT “If everyone has a gun then no-one will shoot them” is “You can’t be shot, if no-one has a gun” its foolproof. Even if someone has one illegally, and go on a killing spree, less people die overall.

  57. Nix Says:

    “If the government didn’t poke it’s nose in our business the place would be better off.”

    If you guys did something about it then y’know…

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  60. the voice of reason Says:

    Possession of knowledge does not equal intelligence, the ability to reason and determine how to best use the knowledge you have does.

    Tom, if you look at the statistics for gun crime the vast majority of them are committed using illegally owned weapons. And every time a country has disarmed its citizens bad things have happened. In Europe the holocaust, in Australia crime rates increase dramatically because criminals knew they were less likely to get shot.

    But that is the great gun debate that has and will continue to wage for many years.

  61. Livered Says:

    Hi the voice of reason.
    I am all for the responsible citizenry of any country being allowed to possess guns. But I can’t agree with your argument about countries which disarm their citizens having problems.
    In England and Wales handguns are not allowed and there is a strict licensing regime for rifles and shotguns. Most police have never even picked up a gun, let alone carried one on the street.
    Yet you are more than 26 times more likely to be killed by gunfire in the USA than in England and Wales.
    This is the problem: I would like it to be easier to carry guns in England, but your argument does not help our case at all. It shows what massive carnage CAN happen when guns are allowed. The question is, how do we allow people to carry guns without becoming like the USA?

  62. the voice of reason Says:

    Hi Livered,
    I would have to agree than England has done quite well keeping illegal guns off the streets. They do have a muhc higher rate for stabbings though.
    If you want to look at arguments toward allowing people to carry guns, just look at the statistics for people in the US that are registered for concealed carry. They are a lot less likely than any other citizen to ever be conviced of a crime. The reasoning behind it is that people who go through the trouble of getting a legal concealed carry liscense have more strict background checks in most states, they have a different mentality about guns than “joe average”. There are more citizens with concealed carry liscenses in the US than police in england with them, and there are fewer accidents byt the US citizens than the police (they’ve had some friendly fire accidents lately)

    Problem is with even the police disarmed. If a criminal smuggled in weapons, the police would be helpless. There was an incident a few years ago in America where two gunmen with asault weapons and home made kevlar body armor overing themselves from head to toe robbed a band and shot a bunch of police officers before finally being stopped. Those police had handguns and the bullets weren’t doing any good. Since then more police are being issued assult weapons to keep in their vehicle incase something ever calls for the need.

    Perhaps its just the way I was raised, but the bad guys should never be more well armed than the good guys.

  63. Hannah Says:

    Um… can’t you shoot yourself with that?

  64. Jim White Says:

    Hannah,

    Yes you can. If you are stupid. Never point a gun at yourself, or anyone that you are not ready to shoot. Common since will work here.

    Jim White

  65. Bapudi Says:

    Jim, I think Hannah’s point was that if you use it as a flashlight, you pretty much end up pointing the gun part of it at yourself, unless you hold it out from your body at some weird angle.

  66. Bapudi Says:

    Here’s an idea: a combination eggbeater and hand-grenade? Or um… combination telescope and surgical laser. Tennis racket plus rocket launcher? Somebody stop me….

  67. Jim White Says:

    Bapudi

    Go to http://www.shurfire.com to see some acceptable holds for tactical flashlights. Some holds look weird, most holds include holding a handgun. Holding a flashlight in front of your body puts you in extra danger. If an assailent is not temporily blinded by your light, he may fire at the light. Hence, some holds are overhand, above and to the side of the body.

    Jim White

  68. Thorep Says:

    *The Baldchemist said “…Its a well known fact that Police, Security guards and military have the lowest intelligence of all proffesions…”*

    I happen to be a soldier. I just wanted to point out you misspelled the word “profession” while vainly attempting to insult my I.Q. at the same time. I don’t need a flashlight with a small, single shotgun round in it. If I want a light, there’s hundreds of different kinds for me to attach to the barrel of my M4. Just so happens an M4 with a flashlight on it is a little better at deterrence than a poorly designed mag/shotgun mix.

    p.s. – Go f*ck yourself.

  69. Jim White Says:

    Thorep

    If you are new to this forum You may not know that Baldchemist is a genuine nut case. He is suffering from the UK delusion that self defense is evil, and that force is never justified. Consider the source.

    Jim White

  70. Thorep Says:

    I am new to this forum. I knew the guy either had an I.Q. of about room temperature and was just spouting opinion as fact, or he was a nutcase. Thank you for narrowing it down for me, I will keep it mind for future reference.

    I did like his oxymoronic attempt at a jab, “I fear for you America.” Yea, because Americans are willing to stand up and defend themselves. What a fearful concept. That concept only helped destroy slavery, fascism, genocide, Nazism, and now it’s working on destroying terrorism. Clearly it’s success rate is low. If it weren’t for that concept he fears so much, he’d probably be dead already.

  71. Livered Says:

    As you say, “Americans are willing to stand up and defend themselves”. This is true. But if more of them stood up and defended themselves with shotgun flashlights there’d be even more Yanks shooting themselves than there are now.

    Don’t forget that the US was one of the last countries in the world to abolish slavery, or that it didn’t even start fighting fascism/Nazism until 1941.

    And genocide? When is the US going to start “fighting genocide”? How many innocent people have been killed by Americans in Iraq, and before that in Vietnam? We don’t know, because as Tommy Franks says, “we don’t do body counts”.

    It also appears that you do not know what “oxymoron” means.

  72. Thorep Says:

    WWII buddy. Hitler was a fan of genocide, what with killing all the jews, gypsies, and other breeds he didn’t like. Were you really not taught that in second grade? Are you in second grade yet? We didn’t start fighting Nazism until WWII because it didn’t happen to exist at all much earlier before that. The Nazi party came into existence in 1919 but didn’t start causing noticeable trouble until much later.

    As to how many innocents have been killed in Iraq – I’ve been there. I handed out water bottles and shoes to little kids. Innocent Iraqi’s dying is a (rare) tragedy that comes with combat – just like innocent American contractors trying to do nothing more than deliver mail have also died. You sound like a sheep who knows nothing except over-hyped media intel.

    And maybe if you re-read what I posted, you’d have noticed I’m not a fan of this flashlight. Learn your history, then learn your facts, *then* start telling people what they do and don’t know – because right now you’re seem more ignorant than my 3 year-old niece.

  73. Livered Says:

    I said Americans didn’t start fighting Nazism until 1941, not that they didn’t start fighting Nazism until WWII. The sad thing is, I believe some Americans are so insular they actually believe WWII started in 1941.

    And asking me if I am “in second grade yet” – assuming that second grade is some kind of school for young children – is not very sophisticated.

  74. Thorep Says:

    Want to talk about sophistication? Learn facts before you talk about them – that’s being sophisticated. When was the last time you were in Iraq risking your life to help a poverty-stricken village? Not recently? So don’t try and tell me about the horrible things going on over there.

    On the subject of insular, you were the one not knowing about how America conflicted with genocide. Hence my logical question of whether you’ve been informed of elementary history facts.

    If you don’t like the U.S., fine. I don’t care, it’s your right to an opinion. But your arguments on this subject are either uninformed or just plain wrong. If you’re suggesting I be more civil in such an argument, well, you’ll have to forgive me. I’m a soldier, and we’re notoriously uncivilized. Especially when it comes to people who know nothing about war trying to tell me about it.

  75. the voice of reason Says:

    Livered, insular is what the US was before WW2. The government didn’t want to get involved yet the population was calling to join the fight because of what little the news reported to them of the attrocities going on. Our presance in Iraq is the opposite of those times. Rather than wait around until we are attacked we simply take a much more active roll in protecting innocents. Perhaps in some way it is guilt left over from all the genocite that happened. However, no matter what the US does there will be people complaining and saying we should eb doing the opposite.

    It sure is easy to critisize from your desk and keyboard though isn’t it? So many people do it and yet have never taken an active roll in what their government does, or even in what their community does, or even what their circle of friends does to improve the world or even the insignificant life of one person down the street who is strugglign to provide a good life for their family.

  76. blackfang Says:

    “Please bear in mind that all nations who have been totally disarmed unequivocally exhibit episodes of genocide, because their citizens cannot fight back.”

    And the genocide in the UK was when, exactly?

    Lord save us from stupid, brainwashed, uneducated yanks :(

  77. whiteshu Says:

    blackfang,

    You have nothing to fear from us stupid, brainwashed, uneducated yanks. We will be there when you need us, no questions ask, no respect required. Sad.

    Jim White

  78. Zerk Says:

    “Please bear in mind that **all nations who have been totally disarmed** unequivocally exhibit episodes of genocide, because their citizens cannot fight back.”

    The UK has never been totally disarmed. Not even when it was mostly under the authority of the Romans – the natives still maintained a fair amount of control. So, that quote doesn’t apply to the UK, does it? The citizens could always fight back, thus no genocide. Even in their most dire moment in WWII (right before America came to help you out), when the Germans were bombing London, the citizens were still fighting.

    Lord save us from people who can’t comprehend a single damn sentence. Save us from the mindless thralls who obey nothing except what the media tells them to believe about America. You’re really not in any position to call anybody stupid, blackfang. The logic of a single question was too much for you to handle. Normally an average stupid person can still grasp a single sentence. But not you. You’re stupidity actually surpasses average stupidity. Congratulations. At least you’re good at something in life, aren’t you?

  79. blackfang Says:

    You yanks can wriggle and squirm all you want – the whole world knows that you are brainwashed by your media and as thick as two short planks when it comes to world affairs. All this garbage about helping the UK in WWII….we had to PAY for that help and pay royally for it (only finished paying for it last year). And the only time your country helps anyone is when its in your own interest and for your own profit. Fact. Everyone else admits it….you try to claim its purely out of the goodness of you hearts.

    Try and get yourselves at least a little bit of an education…unlike you gun-toting cowboys, guns have been banned in the UK for years (including handguns) and even farmers have to jump through hoops in order to get a license. Once again your ignorance and stupidity shines through.

    Why do you suppose the rest of the world hates you? Try and learn a bit about the rest of the world instead of trying to bomb and control it….it might make a bit of a difference, but I doubt it.

  80. Zerk Says:

    I like how you openly display your ignorance for everybody to read. Like how you’re commenting about media brainwashing, and in the same post you talk about American’s being gun-toting cowboys. That’s just amazing. You should be proud of yourself – you’re the shining example of ignorance across the pacific. None is more of an example than you.

    I also like how you ignored the fact that you couldn’t comprehend a single sentence, but now you’re preaching education. You’re a real pro at arguing you’re point. Do you really think America cares what willfully ignorant troglodytes like you think about us? If you spoke like someone who even once stepped onto a college campus and didn’t die of culture shock, you might get a respected opinion by Americans. Even if what you said about America was insulting – if you said it with any hint of intelligence at all, you’d still probably be considered somehow.

    But you just can’t seem to manage that.

  81. blackfang Says:

    Er, how many shootings were there last year in American schools? How many schools across America have metal detectors to try to stop kids taking knives and guns to school with them? How many schools have to employ security guards?

    And yes, America is beginning to realise that it is important what the rest of the world thinks about you, since the world is your market place and annoying your customers means they just buy someone else’s products. Between 2001 and 2005 your country lost 96 BILLION dollars in tourist revenue (your own state department figures, not mine) because people are hacked off with how blinkered you people are, and the fact that you treat anyone who has the audacity to come into your country as a tourist as if they are a terrorist. Another well documented fact, but doubtless you’ll deny that one too.

    In your blinkered view, anyone who doesn’t like Americans is “uneducated”. Actually most of us outside America would say the exact opposite. The opinion of a bunch of war-mongering, lying, hypocritical, uneducated fools is no interest. But then the way you morons operate, we’d better not disagree with you or you’ll invade – particularly with us having oil.

    And the fact remains that the original point about genocide was stupid, and could only have come from an American. But as usual…America right, everyone else wrong. It was ever thus and that is why your economy is going down the toilet. Permanently. They don’t tell you much about the value of your dollar do they, or the fact that oil and commodities will not be priced in dollars much longer. I know you’re bitter, but sit and contemplate quietly why that might be eh? Or better still do a bit of research – you might learn something.

  82. Livered Says:

    I honestly didn’t start contributing to this thread with the intention of having a go at Americans. But that was funny! It would be ignorance across the Atlantic, wouldn’t it?

    As far as college campus culture shocks go, as someone who has been to university (and to what you call “high school”) in both the States and in the UK, I can say that the standard of education in the US was the most pisspoor rubbish I have ever seen in my life. I was expected to sit in an American classroom being taught things the British all know by the time they are ten (such as which ocean is which).

  83. Golbione of del ceriale! Says:

    CORN!

  84. Latex Santa Says:

    Dear “Zerk”, there chance of dying of culture shock in an American college is ZERO. “Uncultured shock” might happen, however…

    As for ignorance across the Pacific, I have BEEN to America and what I saw there was that most of the guys I met in my year (11,so 15-16yr olds) coouldn’t point out the Pacific on a map of the world…

  85. Andy (UK) Says:

    As a point of note, making a broad statement (especially an insulting one) without supporting evidence will generally hinder any argument you attempt to make Baldchemist.

    Personally I believe that allowing citizens access to firearms is likely to result in a greater loss of human life and that stolen or misused firearms present a greater danger than any delay caused by police response. (Opinion) however… lets not get into that, as we have already involked Godwins Law.

    —–
    * This firearm does not appear to be useful as a deterent against attack due to its concealed nature. A security guards duty should (in theory) be to apprehend or identify criminals so that they can be legally presecuted.
    * The possition of the fireing mechanism means that the light would generally be shining towards the user (causing a loss of night vision) and away from the target (leaving the user unable to clearly identify the target). This both limits situational awareness and decreases the users accuracy. Which may result in fatal misunderstandings in a tense situation.
    * This firearm is primarily designed to inflict significant and fatal wounds on a target(although the use of taser shells does seem like a possibility).
    * If you can legally carry a firearm in your nation/state then safer, more reliable weapons are likely at your disposal.
    * Once discharged the user is defenceless
    * recoil compensation is unknown, however from casual inspection it would seem that the user may injure themselves if attempting to fire the weapon due to the weapons poor gripping possitions.

    Therefore, this is a very dangerous weapon for the user, which can limit their ability to carry out their duties. If it is claimed that this is a weapon designed for self-defence, for what legal reason would somebody require such a firearm, rather than say a more proven and reliable 9mm pistol or a derringer?
    —–

    * Logically the firearm mechanism leaves less space for batteries, therefore the torch will have a shorter battery life or more expensive batteries than a normal flashlight of the equivalent size. Therefore it is less useful as a torch.
    * The safety pin is not clearly labled as such and could very easily be removed by accident, making it an extreme hazard to legitimate users or friends and family members.
    * It is unclear from the above images, however the implication is that the on/off switch of the torch controls the firing mechanism once the safety pin is removed.

    Therefore this is very dangerous and ineffective as a novelty torch especially if it falls into the hands of an untrained user who may (reasonably) mistake it for a torch.
    —–

    I believe that there are two rational uses for such a weapon.
    * Display as a novelty firearm (as has been mentioned it is essentially an interesting bond gadget)
    * As a murder weapon that can be easily concealed from the authorities.

    Although the use as a novelty display item (kept properly secured) is entirely appropriate, the risk of it being used as a tool of pre-meditated murder (such as assasination) or accidental misfiring may be argued to significantly outweigh the potential benefits of novelty.

    There… Hopefully that stands up as a rational argument, although I’m a little tired.

    andy

  86. cryonics Says:

    This is SO COOL! I want one. As a matter of fact, I am just in the process of putting together a quad-shotgun. I have a shitload of shotgun-cartridges, and heaps of steel-pipe. Only thing left to figure out is a suitable trigger. I can’t wait to pay a visit to a few punks who owe me lots of money… cabooomm!

  87. cryonics Says:

    Hey Andy, #85,
    Have you considered publishing a book on the subject?
    You must really love hearing yourself raving on, blah, blah, blahhhhhhhhh, hey?

  88. The Baldchemist Says:

    “Making a broad statement”???? Just look at the replies1 From our intelligent military man” Go f..k your self” Lack of a compelling argument and its straight into violence and abuse.
    Tell the folks why you chose the military.Why does anyone chose to have a uniform?
    What is the fascination with guns and ME??? No creative bones in your body.
    Contribute to the World with something creative. Something your kids can be proud of.
    Start saving your money. Instead of buying guns; fill your car up with gas. @cause soon you aint goning to have any.
    Thats enough from me. By the way the mug who suggested he would like to take my head off is very welcome to try.
    Just make sure you know who and what you are dealing with. Not like Vietnam, Afganistan, Irak et al.
    Other than that most Yanks are an alright folk.

  89. CavalierX Says:

    I have to wonder why so many on the Left seem to want Middle Easterners to live under brutal dictatorships when they themselves are free — and kept so by those very same military servicemen whom they villify (using, ironically, the freedom of speech protected by those people to do it.) Like little children who scream at their parents “You’re so mean, I hate you!” and then slam the door of the bedrooms those hated parents provide for them while asking so little in return.

  90. GP Says:

    Interesting that this is made in the same town as Virginia Tech huh?

  91. Scorpion Says:

    I find it hysterical that people believe that this was designed, built, and manufactured for the “security guard industry”, and that these were sold to mall security staff.

    LOL!

    The three alphabets of your choosing can order anything that would be a productive tool in the “field”.

    I wonder if my timex has a built in garrote?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote

    LOL!

  92. Robitj Says:

    Flashlight Firearms:
    We occasionally receive requests for information regarding a product formerly manufactured by Ares Defense Systems. The Companion product has not been produced in 8-9 years. Very few were ever manufactured; all were registered with BATF as “AOW” (Any Other Weapon) per NFA guidelines and all were transferred with ATF approval to Federally licensed dealers possessing a Special Occupational Tax stamp. We do not manufacture, advertise, sell or support this product.

    This is from the web site of Ares Defense Systems.

  93. andy Says:

    i no wat i want 4 my b day lol

  94. Lonewolf Says:

    Go to globalresearch.ca and search an article called “ignorance in america”. Funny to read.

  95. Big Bull Says:

    Nil, you give europeans a bad name. However, I’m guessing most are a little brighter than you. You DO realize that we bombed Hiroshima & Nagasaki AFTER we were bombed & AFTER we tried to convince Japan to surrender? Tardo. Guess your education system is about as inept as ours.

    As far as the gun goes…I’ll take two! Where do I sign?

  96. Allen Says:

    So… this is about the most moronic “defense” device I’ve ever seen. If the barrel was in the light emitting end, I’d definitely want one though. Just seems kind of counterproductive to shine a light behind or on yourself while you’re trying to shoot someone. I’ll just stick with my .38 snubbie and a regular flashlight.

  97. A Non-mouse Says:

    This goes beyond ridiculous. The only redeeming quality this ill-conceived mockery has is that it’ll most likely maim anyone foolish enough to carry one.

  98. DAVE STANLEY Says:

    Pardon the double post. I sense deception from post # 51. These two products have gone through a redesign since the socalled moratorium on building them. I’m thinking the first customer from the original order wanted more for the new activities they are/were assigned to.

  99. Abdul Wahid Says:

    I like the light!

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